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		<title>Luca Barbato</title>
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			<title>New Council - Expectations?</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/07/02/new-council-expectations</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:23:24 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="main">Gentoo</category>
<category domain="alt">Ramblings</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1826@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, we got a new council, I'm still there so thank you for renewing the trust on me =)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looks like that less people found me or what I did that compelling to make me into the council, so surely I did something wrong. Solar got the first place so his cleanly cut ways are perceived better.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I started polling people about what they feel about Gentoo and what they'd like. The first thing I noticed is that people are sick of endless discussions on marginal stuff and even more sick of outside projects trying to push it's agenda on Gentoo using the shovel-in-throat way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second item is about trying to make the place nicer for everybody and better involve our large userbase. We used to be the nicest distribution regarding attitude towards newcomers and slow learner, now other distributions are better. We could re-learn from them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That's what I perceived so far. As I said before I see the council just as the last resort to get something decided if we, developers, cannot find a large agreement. Solar likes more to be proactive in my opinion. You liked him so I guess we as council should try to push people express themselves and get new&amp;amp;interesting stuff done instead of discussing which is the new way to define a quantity next to infinity or why embedding information somewhere is right or wrong in theory.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, how wrong I am so far and how we could get Gentoo to improve even more?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/07/02/new-council-expectations&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, we got a new council, I'm still there so thank you for renewing the trust on me =)</p>

<p>Looks like that less people found me or what I did that compelling to make me into the council, so surely I did something wrong. Solar got the first place so his cleanly cut ways are perceived better.</p>

<p>I started polling people about what they feel about Gentoo and what they'd like. The first thing I noticed is that people are sick of endless discussions on marginal stuff and even more sick of outside projects trying to push it's agenda on Gentoo using the shovel-in-throat way.</p>

<p>Second item is about trying to make the place nicer for everybody and better involve our large userbase. We used to be the nicest distribution regarding attitude towards newcomers and slow learner, now other distributions are better. We could re-learn from them.</p>

<p>That's what I perceived so far. As I said before I see the council just as the last resort to get something decided if we, developers, cannot find a large agreement. Solar likes more to be proactive in my opinion. You liked him so I guess we as council should try to push people express themselves and get new&amp;interesting stuff done instead of discussing which is the new way to define a quantity next to infinity or why embedding information somewhere is right or wrong in theory.</p>

<p>That said, how wrong I am so far and how we could get Gentoo to improve even more?</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/07/02/new-council-expectations">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>Theora - the benchmark</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/28/theora-the-benchmark</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:50:31 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="alt">ffmpeg</category>
<category domain="main">Ramblings</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1820@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;There are many discussions about how Theora should be used and about how it smokes x264 somehow.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do not believe it or at least I don't believe the proofs till I try myself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Any of the Theora zealots reading could please provide a reproducible benchmark so everybody could see for themselves how good/bad Theora is?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A script that fetches the new theora encoder, ffmpeg, takes an original, produces two videos using theora and h264 (no audio), same bitrate for both and in the end outputs cpu and memory usage would be great.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/28/theora-the-benchmark&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many discussions about how Theora should be used and about how it smokes x264 somehow.</p>

<p>I do not believe it or at least I don't believe the proofs till I try myself.</p>

<p>Any of the Theora zealots reading could please provide a reproducible benchmark so everybody could see for themselves how good/bad Theora is?</p>

<p>A script that fetches the new theora encoder, ffmpeg, takes an original, produces two videos using theora and h264 (no audio), same bitrate for both and in the end outputs cpu and memory usage would be great.</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/28/theora-the-benchmark">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>LinuxTag - day after</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/28/linuxtag-day-after</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:41:07 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="alt">Gentoo</category>
<category domain="main">ffmpeg</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1817@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm eventually back home, I'm dead tired, the c-base party was great in many ways (people, food, place) and ending the night (actually starting the morning) playing Go with beer and music was _quite_ fun (thanks again for the games =))&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'll try to wrap up everything in a short post before falling asleep completely: the LinuxTag had been a wonderful experience I had been more there as FFmpeg developer and less as Gentoo developer (mostly because I had to man the FFmpeg booth mostly since we aren't that many and that I failed to chat in a proficuous with the gentoo people even if we spent the evening in the same place most of the time =| In the end I had a refreshing conversation about Gentoo with rbu luckily and I managed to chat a bit more with fauli just before he was leaving...)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was quite fun going at the end of the event to the fsfe stand to do explain the FFmpeg stance about patents, Theora (more will follow) and why, in our humble opinion at least, isn't correct to propose^Wactually shove down to the web users throat such codec just because of some claims that are yet to be validated...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The discussion was quite pleasant mostly because to my surprise fsfe people there weren't zealots, so the whole discussion discussion even evolved to touch more interesting topics, like reverse engineering, making sure our license is respected and actually multimedia, with a brief discussion on containers, codec and streaming (that part actually started from an explanation why Theora isn't that perfect fruit of opensource that is claimed and why Ogg has many&lt;br /&gt;
shortcomings as container and why in multimedia you do not have one-size-fit-all solutions... )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/28/linuxtag-day-after&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm eventually back home, I'm dead tired, the c-base party was great in many ways (people, food, place) and ending the night (actually starting the morning) playing Go with beer and music was _quite_ fun (thanks again for the games =))</p>

<p>I'll try to wrap up everything in a short post before falling asleep completely: the LinuxTag had been a wonderful experience I had been more there as FFmpeg developer and less as Gentoo developer (mostly because I had to man the FFmpeg booth mostly since we aren't that many and that I failed to chat in a proficuous with the gentoo people even if we spent the evening in the same place most of the time =| In the end I had a refreshing conversation about Gentoo with rbu luckily and I managed to chat a bit more with fauli just before he was leaving...)</p>

<p>Was quite fun going at the end of the event to the fsfe stand to do explain the FFmpeg stance about patents, Theora (more will follow) and why, in our humble opinion at least, isn't correct to propose^Wactually shove down to the web users throat such codec just because of some claims that are yet to be validated...</p>

<p>The discussion was quite pleasant mostly because to my surprise fsfe people there weren't zealots, so the whole discussion discussion even evolved to touch more interesting topics, like reverse engineering, making sure our license is respected and actually multimedia, with a brief discussion on containers, codec and streaming (that part actually started from an explanation why Theora isn't that perfect fruit of opensource that is claimed and why Ogg has many<br />
shortcomings as container and why in multimedia you do not have one-size-fit-all solutions... )</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/28/linuxtag-day-after">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>LinuxTag - day 1</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/24/linuxtag-day-1</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:20:13 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="main">Gentoo</category>
<category domain="alt">ffmpeg</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1811@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;After about 4 years I eventually managed to get there! Today is the first day and I'm actually sort of manning the FFmpeg Booth and from time to time I could happen to be in the Gentoo one as well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the FFmpeg stand we are showing BBB high res in a big LCD screen from a small beagleboard. The operating system image is obviously Gentoo as well the other system present showing some jumpy Japanese idol video (not my idea).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See you! (Pictures will come later)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/24/linuxtag-day-1&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After about 4 years I eventually managed to get there! Today is the first day and I'm actually sort of manning the FFmpeg Booth and from time to time I could happen to be in the Gentoo one as well.</p>

<p>In the FFmpeg stand we are showing BBB high res in a big LCD screen from a small beagleboard. The operating system image is obviously Gentoo as well the other system present showing some jumpy Japanese idol video (not my idea).</p>

<p>See you! (Pictures will come later)</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/24/linuxtag-day-1">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>Paypal and nationality...</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/07/paypal-and-nationality</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:10:09 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="main">rant</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1802@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;I do not have a paypal account.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do have a credit card (AMEX) and I'm living in Italy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today I tried to setup an account and bind it to my card. I dislike localizations so the first thing I did was having it keeping the English language after I had to tell the system I'm Italian.&lt;br /&gt;
Well I registered and everything went smooth till the point of telling paypal the card I want to use...&lt;br /&gt;
I followed the links and... =_= Oh, my card isn't in the list...&lt;br /&gt;
Strange. Let's try to use the contact module to see what's wrong and... Oh, it says that it isn't available for &quot;U.S. English&quot;, I should go to my preferences and switch it to Italian...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the end apparently IF I'm Italian I cannot use AMEX...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Paypal sucks?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/07/paypal-and-nationality&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have a paypal account.</p>

<p>I do have a credit card (AMEX) and I'm living in Italy.</p>

<p>Today I tried to setup an account and bind it to my card. I dislike localizations so the first thing I did was having it keeping the English language after I had to tell the system I'm Italian.<br />
Well I registered and everything went smooth till the point of telling paypal the card I want to use...<br />
I followed the links and... =_= Oh, my card isn't in the list...<br />
Strange. Let's try to use the contact module to see what's wrong and... Oh, it says that it isn't available for "U.S. English", I should go to my preferences and switch it to Italian...</p>

<p>In the end apparently IF I'm Italian I cannot use AMEX...</p>

<p>Paypal sucks?</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/07/paypal-and-nationality">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>Creppolo "l'ottavo nano" and short sighted politicians</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/07/creppolo-l-ottavo-nano-and-short-sighted</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:57:44 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="main">rant</category>
<category domain="alt">Ramblings</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1799@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;Last week I spend some time visiting some friends in Massa, a quite nice city near a quite nice seaside. It's all fine with sand, sea and the usual places where to relax. We went in a crepe and piadina shop, there we found the owner pretty depressed: he is thinking about closing the shop by the summer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Though times you think, well no, Creppolo is quite known and lots of people gather there by the day and by the night, if you want to eat something tasty during the night and you are around there you'll probably end up there... So, why closing? Well apparently the municipality council/major doesn't like to have shops open the whole night (even if it's a tourist city in the seaside...) and decided that by 2AM every shop MUST be closed. Creppolo made most of its sells between midnight and 4AM.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is pretty annoying since I liked that place and pretty annoying for all the other shops that sell stuff at night (there are many). I always appreciate the short-sightedness of the people elected by people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today it's an election day for the Europe, please make sure you don't miss this chance to vote somebody that won't spoil your hard work ^^&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/07/creppolo-l-ottavo-nano-and-short-sighted&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I spend some time visiting some friends in Massa, a quite nice city near a quite nice seaside. It's all fine with sand, sea and the usual places where to relax. We went in a crepe and piadina shop, there we found the owner pretty depressed: he is thinking about closing the shop by the summer.</p>

<p>Though times you think, well no, Creppolo is quite known and lots of people gather there by the day and by the night, if you want to eat something tasty during the night and you are around there you'll probably end up there... So, why closing? Well apparently the municipality council/major doesn't like to have shops open the whole night (even if it's a tourist city in the seaside...) and decided that by 2AM every shop MUST be closed. Creppolo made most of its sells between midnight and 4AM.</p>

<p>That is pretty annoying since I liked that place and pretty annoying for all the other shops that sell stuff at night (there are many). I always appreciate the short-sightedness of the people elected by people.</p>

<p>Today it's an election day for the Europe, please make sure you don't miss this chance to vote somebody that won't spoil your hard work ^^</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/06/07/creppolo-l-ottavo-nano-and-short-sighted">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>Communication, utf8?, strong words</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/04/04/communication-utf8-strong-words</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:45:27 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="alt">rant</category>
<category domain="main">Ramblings</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1727@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;That's a follow up from &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/04/03/you-get-what-you-ask-for&quot;&gt;Diego&lt;/a&gt; about somebody quite &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/software/beware_of_friends_bearing_patches.comments&quot;&gt;angry&lt;/a&gt; that went to vent a bit too much and got quite a backslash. Then he got also some issues with his blogging software hiding all the comments about his rant. Now things are more or less normal and you can read the comments again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given I'm the first using strong words about software I dislike (like cmake) I try to be ready to be proven wrong. Since that usually means that that either I got somebody planting some clues on me with the proper bat or things improve in the mean time, both cases usually I'm happy/happier to be proven wrong. Being wrong is something that may happen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, I hope that what Matti and Boudewijn did was out of frustration, since I assume that after stupidity and before malice. If you release something it's YOUR FAULT if it's broken since YOU are the committer in your tree. Smearing other people to cover the fact YOU, too, messed up is plainly wrong...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/04/04/communication-utf8-strong-words&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a follow up from <a href="http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/04/03/you-get-what-you-ask-for">Diego</a> about somebody quite <a href="http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/software/beware_of_friends_bearing_patches.comments">angry</a> that went to vent a bit too much and got quite a backslash. Then he got also some issues with his blogging software hiding all the comments about his rant. Now things are more or less normal and you can read the comments again.</p>

<p>Given I'm the first using strong words about software I dislike (like cmake) I try to be ready to be proven wrong. Since that usually means that that either I got somebody planting some clues on me with the proper bat or things improve in the mean time, both cases usually I'm happy/happier to be proven wrong. Being wrong is something that may happen.</p>

<p>Now, I hope that what Matti and Boudewijn did was out of frustration, since I assume that after stupidity and before malice. If you release something it's YOUR FAULT if it's broken since YOU are the committer in your tree. Smearing other people to cover the fact YOU, too, messed up is plainly wrong...</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/04/04/communication-utf8-strong-words">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>cmake vs autotools, a benchmark</title>
			<link>http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/03/24/cmake-vs-autotools-a-benchmark</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Luca Barbato</dc:creator>
			<category domain="main">Ramblings</category>			<guid isPermaLink="false">1706@http://blogs.gentoo.org/</guid>
						<description>&lt;p&gt;Recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://wesnoth.org&quot;&gt;wesnoth&lt;/a&gt; got released and there is already an ebuild in portage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since upstream stated that autotools were being deprecated (actually some people come up to avoid that in the end) Mr_Bones crafted an ebuild using cmake.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here some values:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;build time for cmake -&gt; 3.20m (take everything with at least some of variance)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;build time for wesnoth using cmake -&gt; 8.15m (again some more, some less depending on the runs)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;build time for wesnoth using autotools -&gt; 8.00m (again some less, some more depending on the runs)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;my method is quite simple:&lt;br /&gt;
- first I fetch the sources and then build some times cmake and wesnoth 1.6a and use time to see how much it takes.&lt;br /&gt;
- then I use the older ebuild 1.4.7, remove the no-python from src_prepare since its unneeded, I call it 1.6a-r1 and then build some times that one as well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apparently cmake nearly add about 1/3 to the actual build time if you don't have it already installed (and you shouldn't) and compared to the autotools system it adds some time by itself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short people shouldn't use cmake if autotools are available.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;item_footer&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/03/24/cmake-vs-autotools-a-benchmark&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt; blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://b2evolution.net/&quot;&gt;b2evolution&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently <a href="http://wesnoth.org">wesnoth</a> got released and there is already an ebuild in portage.</p>

<p>Since upstream stated that autotools were being deprecated (actually some people come up to avoid that in the end) Mr_Bones crafted an ebuild using cmake.</p>

<p>Here some values:</p>

<p>build time for cmake -> 3.20m (take everything with at least some of variance)</p>

<p>build time for wesnoth using cmake -> 8.15m (again some more, some less depending on the runs)</p>

<p>build time for wesnoth using autotools -> 8.00m (again some less, some more depending on the runs)</p>

<p>my method is quite simple:<br />
- first I fetch the sources and then build some times cmake and wesnoth 1.6a and use time to see how much it takes.<br />
- then I use the older ebuild 1.4.7, remove the no-python from src_prepare since its unneeded, I call it 1.6a-r1 and then build some times that one as well.</p>

<p>Apparently cmake nearly add about 1/3 to the actual build time if you don't have it already installed (and you shouldn't) and compared to the autotools system it adds some time by itself.</p>

<p>In short people shouldn't use cmake if autotools are available.</p><div class="item_footer"><p><small><a href="http://blogs.gentoo.org/lu_zero/2009/03/24/cmake-vs-autotools-a-benchmark">Original post</a> blogged on <a href="http://b2evolution.net/">b2evolution</a>.</small></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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