{"id":105,"date":"2006-12-19T16:02:56","date_gmt":"2006-12-19T16:02:56","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2006-12-19T16:02:56","modified_gmt":"2006-12-19T16:02:56","slug":"of_broken_pinatas_and_developer_platform","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/2006\/12\/19\/of_broken_pinatas_and_developer_platform\/","title":{"rendered":"Of Broken Pi"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Am I harsh? I don&#8217;t think I am: I am just calling it how I see it.  And, I certainly mean no offense by anything I say. I thought initially to just respond to the comments in my last blog, but as you can see, I had a lot more to say on the subject: enough to warrant a new post. So here it is.<\/p>\n<p>Apparently, at least <a href=\"http:\/\/planet.gentoo.org\/developers\/seemant\/2006\/12\/17\/xmms_autopsy_spoons_vs_self_sufficiency#c18542\">a couple<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/planet.gentoo.org\/developers\/seemant\/2006\/12\/17\/xmms_autopsy_spoons_vs_self_sufficiency#c18553\">of people<\/a> believe Gentoo to be a User focused distribution.  And that is OK, to be honest.  Gentoo isn&#8217;t a strict set of anything for anybody, so each person brings in their own vision and their own baggage: they join for their own reasons and leave for their own reasons.<\/p>\n<p>Most of the time, I would venture, people join Gentoo development (or really, any open source project) to scratch their <b>own<\/b> set of itches.  Hell, my itch was <a href=\"http:\/\/bugs.gentoo.org\/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;short_desc=&amp;long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;long_desc=&amp;bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;bug_file_loc=&amp;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&amp;status_whiteboard=&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;keywords=&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=RESOLVED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;bug_status=CLOSED&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailreporter1=1&amp;emailcc1=1&amp;emaillongdesc1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=seemant%40rocketmail.com&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=&amp;bugidtype=include&amp;bug_id=&amp;chfieldfrom=&amp;chfieldto=Now&amp;chfieldvalue=&amp;cmdtype=doit&amp;order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&amp;field0-0-0=noop&amp;type0-0-0=noop&amp;value0-0-0=\">getting rid of the cruft NLS stuff and GKrellM plugins<\/a> (though I do see an XMMS version bump request there too).  And you know why?  Because <b>I<\/b> wanted that stuff in portage.  I wanted all those plugins, I wanted nls-free gnome installations on my computers, and I wanted to use yahoo messenger, God help me.<\/p>\n<p>If people are expecting something <strong>other than<\/strong> a developer platform out of Gentoo, then I would have to wonder: what exactly do you expect?  And how will you get everyone to agree with you?  Because, now you&#8217;re faced with trying to define the user.  Surely, <a href=\"http:\/\/archives.gentoo.org\/gentoo-dev\/msg_121973.xml\">Tiago<\/a> is a user.  But hey, so is <a href=\"http:\/\/planet.gentoo.org\/developers\/seemant\/2006\/12\/17\/xmms_autopsy_spoons_vs_self_sufficiency#c18545\">Alex<\/a>. Which of them is the right user?  And there are other users with different needs: the people who want gentoo to power their firewalls, those who want gentoo on their gaming machines, those who want them to power their sparcs and alphas and other 64-bit platforms, their macs; there are those who want a great desktop system, those who want a better multimedia platform; those who want to replace their digital video recording devices; you name it.  Who is the right user?  Which is the right audience?<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t know the answer to that.  Let&#8217;s not even forget the &#8220;holy grail&#8221;: the Enterprise users.  If you know the right answer, pipe up.<\/p>\n<p>As for this being some sort of &#8220;new-found&#8221; developer focus.  It isn&#8217;t new-found. It&#8217;s very old-found.  It&#8217;s, in fact, original-found.  What else would you make of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gentoo.org\/doc\/en\/articles\/making-the-distro-p3.xml\">Daniel&#8217;s thoughts on the subject?<\/a>. After all, he founded this thing in the first place.  Or hey, read <a href=\"http:\/\/archives.gentoo.org\/gentoo-dev\/msg_121973.xml\">Aron&#8217;s observations<\/a> (though <a href=\"http:\/\/article.gmane.org\/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel\/28533\">gmane may be a better way for some to catch it<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but if you want a user distro, there are far better choices out there: ubuntu being the primary one.  You get coddled and you get sane and sensible defaults.   Gentoo doesn&#8217;t do that.  We give you the tools for you to build whatever you want.  So you can fall into all of the above audience choices and more (thanks to the power of profiles and USE flags, primarily). Hell, go nuts with your compiler flags, we don&#8217;t care.  Think that flies as a user-centric approach?  It doesn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s a support nightmare, ask any Gentoo developer about it.<\/p>\n<p>And finally, the pi<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Am I harsh? I don&#8217;t think I am: I am just calling it how I see it. And, I certainly mean no offense by anything I say. I thought initially to just respond to the comments in my last blog, but as you can see, I had a lot more to say on the subject: &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/2006\/12\/19\/of_broken_pinatas_and_developer_platform\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Of Broken Pi<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[3],"tags":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/105"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=105"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/105\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=105"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=105"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.gentoo.org\/seemant\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=105"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}