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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Josh Saddler [Member]</dc:creator>
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			<description>@&lt;strong&gt;Alejandro&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
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See comment number 3.</description>
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See comment number 3.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Alejandro M. [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>may you benchmark murrine too?</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[may you benchmark murrine too?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>665 [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>Sorry guys, i prefer pixmap themes, its the only engine where you can see real creativity &amp;amp; difference&lt;br /&gt;
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other themes should be classified as *-LOOK.org-spam</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Sorry guys, i prefer pixmap themes, its the only engine where you can see real creativity &amp; difference<br />
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other themes should be classified as *-LOOK.org-spam]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Donalds [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I'm getting different results which probably means this test have little meaning, using &quot;Simple&quot; GTK theme I get average 4.25 (4.50 something with Mist) and using my favourite Aurora (with Aurora Elegant scheme) I get average of 6.34.&lt;br /&gt;
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So if I get the extra eyecandy for 2 seconds extra I'm fairly OK with that.&lt;br /&gt;
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Everything on my system is latest of whatever is in ~ on gentoo, nothing else, and my system is far from super (amd x2 3800+ on a geforce 7600gt).&lt;br /&gt;
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Thoughts?</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm getting different results which probably means this test have little meaning, using "Simple" GTK theme I get average 4.25 (4.50 something with Mist) and using my favourite Aurora (with Aurora Elegant scheme) I get average of 6.34.<br />
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So if I get the extra eyecandy for 2 seconds extra I'm fairly OK with that.<br />
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Everything on my system is latest of whatever is in ~ on gentoo, nothing else, and my system is far from super (amd x2 3800+ on a geforce 7600gt).<br />
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Thoughts?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Mart Raudsepp [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>FYI, the USE=glitz on your cairo has no relevance to the themes. Nothing in gtk+ creates cairo glitz surfaces, or at least any of the theme engines I've ever seen. They quite probably all create xlib surfaces and in-memory (not drawn to screen but as a cache thing) surfaces only, so that glitz doesn't do any good for you as far as theme performance goes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, your runtimes appear to be very short. I'd highly suggest going with more runs, like gtkperf -a -c 500 or the like, to get at least 30 seconds - but more is always even better if you can wait out.&lt;br /&gt;
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About gtkperf, I really should fix it to do something useful in the end for the GtkDrawingArea tests. They seem to currently all use gdk_draw_* functions, which nothing modern uses anymore. They should get a patch to use cairo like real apps do. But that's something for upstream then.&lt;br /&gt;
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Glad you found gtkperf useful. I packaged it to have an additional measuring point for some xorg-server patches performance affect measurement -- the EXA glyph cache patches that 1.5.3 will or did get added on, make a huuuuge difference for many drawing op - text.&lt;br /&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[FYI, the USE=glitz on your cairo has no relevance to the themes. Nothing in gtk+ creates cairo glitz surfaces, or at least any of the theme engines I've ever seen. They quite probably all create xlib surfaces and in-memory (not drawn to screen but as a cache thing) surfaces only, so that glitz doesn't do any good for you as far as theme performance goes.<br />
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Also, your runtimes appear to be very short. I'd highly suggest going with more runs, like gtkperf -a -c 500 or the like, to get at least 30 seconds - but more is always even better if you can wait out.<br />
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About gtkperf, I really should fix it to do something useful in the end for the GtkDrawingArea tests. They seem to currently all use gdk_draw_* functions, which nothing modern uses anymore. They should get a patch to use cairo like real apps do. But that's something for upstream then.<br />
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Glad you found gtkperf useful. I packaged it to have an additional measuring point for some xorg-server patches performance affect measurement -- the EXA glyph cache patches that 1.5.3 will or did get added on, make a huuuuge difference for many drawing op - text.<br />
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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>F [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I personally find Rezlooks dull and nauseating, but subjective impressions aside I did some testing on Intel P-M 2.26GHz/i915GM and to my surprise the differences were not very substantial:

Aurora - 16.25
Candido - 16.07
Murrine - 15.29
Rezlooks - 13.07
Xfce - 13.05

I think the current state of intel graphics drivers is to blame, hopefully with GEM and UXA the situation will improve.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I personally find Rezlooks dull and nauseating, but subjective impressions aside I did some testing on Intel P-M 2.26GHz/i915GM and to my surprise the differences were not very substantial:

Aurora - 16.25
Candido - 16.07
Murrine - 15.29
Rezlooks - 13.07
Xfce - 13.05

I think the current state of intel graphics drivers is to blame, hopefully with GEM and UXA the situation will improve.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>In response to: Benchmarks: gtk+ engines</title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Josh Saddler [Member]</dc:creator>
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			<description>@&lt;strong&gt;f&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
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I loathe Murrine with a fierce, burning passion. I hate it with every fiber of my being. It's just about the ugliest, most inconsistent engine ever to have been spawned from the deepest, darkest, slime-smeared pit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course, I do use it on my Ubuntu Studio laptop.*&lt;br /&gt;
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* Only because the Ubuntu folks came up with the only halfway decent, &lt;em&gt;usable&lt;/em&gt; dark gtk+ theme for &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; engine. As a default theme, it's among the better ones out there. Every other Murrine theme I've seen is pure horsepiss, however.&lt;br /&gt;
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@&lt;strong&gt;Milan&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for that; I forgot to stick my nvidia-drivers version in there. Fixed.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[@<strong>f</strong>:<br />
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I loathe Murrine with a fierce, burning passion. I hate it with every fiber of my being. It's just about the ugliest, most inconsistent engine ever to have been spawned from the deepest, darkest, slime-smeared pit.<br />
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Of course, I do use it on my Ubuntu Studio laptop.*<br />
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* Only because the Ubuntu folks came up with the only halfway decent, <em>usable</em> dark gtk+ theme for <em>any</em> engine. As a default theme, it's among the better ones out there. Every other Murrine theme I've seen is pure horsepiss, however.<br />
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@<strong>Milan</strong>:<br />
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Thanks for that; I forgot to stick my nvidia-drivers version in there. Fixed.]]></content:encoded>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Milan [Visitor]</dc:creator>
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			<description>I just tried gtkperf with nimbus and aurora, nimbus score is 4.50 while aurora is 7.15. My configuration is actually slower then yours, 4000+ with nvidia 6100 and 2gb ram. I guess you can blame nvidia drivers for that, on newer cards 2d is awfull.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I just tried gtkperf with nimbus and aurora, nimbus score is 4.50 while aurora is 7.15. My configuration is actually slower then yours, 4000+ with nvidia 6100 and 2gb ram. I guess you can blame nvidia drivers for that, on newer cards 2d is awfull.]]></content:encoded>
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