Josh Saddler - Latest comments on It's not about choice http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph?disp=comments en-US http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 In response to: It's not about choice Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:54:43 +0000 Josh Saddler [Member] c18746@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ @john:<br /> <br /> Granted. Point is, though, that it's considerably harder to do that in Fedora than it is to just download &amp; emerge the existing ebuild from our CVS, no need to create the RPM itself and <em>then</em> install it. ;)<br /> <br /> @John:<br /> <br /> One and the same? And your point is...? If you're here to whine over its removal, take it someplace else. My post is pretty clear that it's never really gone (maybe you're agreeing with me? ;)). To quote from /proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml:<br /> <br /> <blockquote>If you really can't part from XMMS, you can still keep the ebuilds in an overlay.</blockquote>
Granted. Point is, though, that it's considerably harder to do that in Fedora than it is to just download & emerge the existing ebuild from our CVS, no need to create the RPM itself and then install it. ;)

@John:

One and the same? And your point is...? If you're here to whine over its removal, take it someplace else. My post is pretty clear that it's never really gone (maybe you're agreeing with me? ;)). To quote from /proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml:

If you really can't part from XMMS, you can still keep the ebuilds in an overlay.
]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2007/02/27/it_s_not_about_choice#c18746 In response to: It's not about choice Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:31:31 +0000 john [Visitor] c18742@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ "it's all still there; it's never really gone. To me, that's pretty incredible. If some RPM-based distro like Fedora or Mandriva removes a package from their repositories, it's pretty much gone."<br /> <br /> Sorry. This is factually incorrect for Fedora. Fedora stores all its RPM spec files into cvs.fedoraproject.org and every single RPM every produced by Fedora can be reproduced easily. <br /> <br />
Sorry. This is factually incorrect for Fedora. Fedora stores all its RPM spec files into cvs.fedoraproject.org and every single RPM every produced by Fedora can be reproduced easily.

]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2007/02/27/it_s_not_about_choice#c18742 In response to: It's not about choice Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:48:01 +0000 Josh Saddler [Member] c18740@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ @Alex:<br /> <br /> It's not rewriting history. It's about truly seeing things that are there -- we do present the users with choice, but you have to look beyond that, to where the choice <em>comes from</em>.<br /> <br /> Speaking as a "veteran user" if I may (however one defines that, in this case, that it's been my OS and playground for two years), I do admit that my understanding has improved considerably since then. (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2104583.html)<br /> <br /> Just so you know -- it really is about flexibility. The fact that you get choices is a side benefit of that. And many developers (and even more users!) lose sight of that.<br /> <br /> I'm not out to change expectations -- rather to enlighten and make people really think. ;)
It's not rewriting history. It's about truly seeing things that are there -- we do present the users with choice, but you have to look beyond that, to where the choice comes from.

Speaking as a "veteran user" if I may (however one defines that, in this case, that it's been my OS and playground for two years), I do admit that my understanding has improved considerably since then. (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2104583.html)

Just so you know -- it really is about flexibility. The fact that you get choices is a side benefit of that. And many developers (and even more users!) lose sight of that.

I'm not out to change expectations -- rather to enlighten and make people really think. ;)]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2007/02/27/it_s_not_about_choice#c18740 In response to: It's not about choice Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:37:48 +0000 Donnie Berkholz [Visitor] c18738@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ Thank you for saying this, again. http://blogs.gentoo.org/nightmorph/2007/02/27/it_s_not_about_choice#c18738