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Luca Barbato [Member] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:56:13 +0000

bmichaelsen that would be wonderful

CkION I'm afraid you didn't read the whole thread. Innovation is an idiotic buzzword. Evolution sounds better (even if the mail client sucks), improvement sounds right.

Gentoo never innovated, made always things easier w/out gloating about it. Ricers and other fun people made up some claims otherwise.

I asked what you expect from Gentoo, "Drobbins back" is all you could say?

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CkION [Visitor] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:34:10 +0000

i'm sorry luca but you just trying to cover everything up saying that everything is good based on a mailing list thread that doesnt say nothing more than that the basic bumps and fixes are being made...
Innovation tells you something?
And the rest problems are just... nothing to concern users, right?...
Robbins have to come back reaaaally soon T_T

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bmichaelsen [Visitor] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:58:41 +0000

"3 newsitems .. not enough?"
Thats enough. Things would have been a lot smoother I guess if they would have been out a week earlier though (or at least when it hit /.).

"We could all agree that having them more active would be nice, but it isn't necessary for short term survival"
I think thats a general concensus.

"What, in your opinion, should be the information that "general users" should expect?"
I (as one general user) would certainly enjoy love to see a campaign/temporary project/whatever you call it to get more people helping communication and organizational issues in the gentoo project. Thats something I would contribute to, if I would be of help.

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Aniruddha [Visitor] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:08:05 +0000

@Bj

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Luca Barbato [Member] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:58:34 +0000

What, in your opinion, should be the information that "general users" should expect?

There are 3 newsitems covering in a concise way everything you should care. Is that not enough? We are open to address your concerns if there are more even if we got bad feedback and you aren't accepting the fact that we may know better.

Please re-read what I wrote. I said that none of the items that weren't functional/quite active are fundamental. We could all agree that having them more active would be nice, but it isn't necessary for short term survival ^^

lu

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Bj [Visitor] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:17:30 +0000

"Realize that you DO NOT need a dedicated group involved in public relation IF all the people is doing evangelism, avoids misstatements and so on."
Thats an impossible if. People will always publish misstatements, even if unintended. Esp. if there is no easy and concise source of information for users (mailing lists and planet are not - they are way to much "in the trench" to be read regulary by all users. And franky, Devs posting "To our users: don

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Aniruddha [Visitor] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:35:11 +0000

I couldn't agree with you more Luca.Unfortunately people tend to fall easily for 'end-of-the-world schemes'. This has something to do with the wiring in our brains.

Anyhow, I am not a dev, but I am getting a bit tired lately of reading comments from people who know it all better but haven't contributed a thing. Keep up the good work! And thanks for making Gentoo possible in the first place ;)

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Luca Barbato [Member] — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:48:11 +0000

Sigh... Realize that you DO NOT need a dedicated group involved in public relation IF all the people is doing evangelism, avoids misstatements and so on.
Realize that GWN isn't something you need since we got the planet.
Realize that the whole trustee mess isn't anything fundamental (c.f. freebsd)

Those are *optional*. You can live without them. The core values are community and the people striving to improve. The rest is pretty much incidental. Something we could live w/out or could be radically improved, BUT it isn't a live or death issue.

About me, I'm just a leader of a small research group in my university. You may check it or the other projects in which I'm involved.