Stefan Schweizer - Latest comments on Open Source Software contributing - where Gentoo can improve http://blogs.gentoo.org/genstef?disp=comments en-US http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 In response to: Open Source Software contributing - where Gentoo can improve Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:44:33 +0000 Alec WArner [Visitor] c18848@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ We are slow at hiring developers because there is a big difference between writing a few ebuilds and then writing ebuilds to Gentoo's standards. The Gentoo environment is no longer dead simple like it used to be and that is a big problem. It requires training, people knowing about cache regen issues, portage, mirrors, eclasses, testing, etc...<br /> <br /> If writing ebuilds was all that devs did we would have 100's more developers. I think our quizzes should focus more on the other bits of being a dev and that is why recruiters are working on it.<br /> <br /> Gentoo-Wiki has always been a good resource; I don't think it replaces gentoo/doc/en, but as you stated you can't really have too much documentation.<br /> <br /> As for the portage comments, you need to talk to gentoo as a whole. 'The Portage Team' is just a few people who are interested in working on portage. I've tried working on pkgcore and I haven't done anything with it. Portage is the only thing that interests me right now. So convince gentoo to switch and portage can fork off on it's own. However this is already happening, (it's why we have EAPI/PMS and so forth). If you think we can magically just switch hundreds of thousands of users to a different package manager...well I think thats a very niave view.
If writing ebuilds was all that devs did we would have 100's more developers. I think our quizzes should focus more on the other bits of being a dev and that is why recruiters are working on it.

Gentoo-Wiki has always been a good resource; I don't think it replaces gentoo/doc/en, but as you stated you can't really have too much documentation.

As for the portage comments, you need to talk to gentoo as a whole. 'The Portage Team' is just a few people who are interested in working on portage. I've tried working on pkgcore and I haven't done anything with it. Portage is the only thing that interests me right now. So convince gentoo to switch and portage can fork off on it's own. However this is already happening, (it's why we have EAPI/PMS and so forth). If you think we can magically just switch hundreds of thousands of users to a different package manager...well I think thats a very niave view.]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/genstef/2007/03/24/open_source_software_contributing_where_#c18848 In response to: Open Source Software contributing - where Gentoo can improve Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:25:01 +0000 [Visitor] c18847@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ From anonymous coward:<blockquote>And to be honest, compared to the rpm and deb distros I know about, portage beats them hands down. Who cares if it takes a couple of seconds/minutes? It seems you have forgotten the joys of working with gentoo.</blockquote><br /> <br /> Other distros' package managers have progressed, closing the gap between them and Gentoo. And going looking for overlays to get what the user wants isn't so much different for trying to find the right rpm or deb repository for another distro; it's very annoying and certainly puts off new users.<br /> <br /> <p>I miss the days when all I had to do to get what I wanted was to search through the tree and start emerging and configuring.</p><br /> <br /> <p>I don't blame you at all for not wanting to deal with the very badly behaved gentoo devs; I hope it <em>will</em> become fun again, welcoming in people who want to help keep the tree healthy.</p> And to be honest, compared to the rpm and deb distros I know about, portage beats them hands down. Who cares if it takes a couple of seconds/minutes? It seems you have forgotten the joys of working with gentoo.

Other distros' package managers have progressed, closing the gap between them and Gentoo. And going looking for overlays to get what the user wants isn't so much different for trying to find the right rpm or deb repository for another distro; it's very annoying and certainly puts off new users.

I miss the days when all I had to do to get what I wanted was to search through the tree and start emerging and configuring.



I don't blame you at all for not wanting to deal with the very badly behaved gentoo devs; I hope it will become fun again, welcoming in people who want to help keep the tree healthy.

]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/genstef/2007/03/24/open_source_software_contributing_where_#c18847 In response to: Open Source Software contributing - where Gentoo can improve Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:38:14 +0000 Alex [Visitor] c18846@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ <b>Dan:</b> And your comment has about as much constructive criticism as a 5-year-old can muster. This isn't atypical of Sunrise's long-time detractors however.<br /> Dan: And your comment has about as much constructive criticism as a 5-year-old can muster. This isn't atypical of Sunrise's long-time detractors however.
]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/genstef/2007/03/24/open_source_software_contributing_where_#c18846 In response to: Open Source Software contributing - where Gentoo can improve Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:22:54 +0000 Dan [Visitor] c18845@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ This post has just about as many good ideas as sunrice did. http://blogs.gentoo.org/genstef/2007/03/24/open_source_software_contributing_where_#c18845 In response to: Open Source Software contributing - where Gentoo can improve Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:52:38 +0000 anonymous coward [Visitor] c18844@http://blogs.gentoo.org/ >This increae is clearly due to the fact that we are not able to recruit developers in a reasonable timeframe.<br /> <br /> I've been thinking about helping out for the last 2 years now. But with at all the flamewars on gentoo-def/irc/everywhere, having some people react like 5 year olds on bugzilla, etc. , well, let's just say I'm more than happy with my local overlay. I just don't want to be involved in such a hotile environment... The day it seems fun again is the day I'll change my mind...<br /> <br /> <br /> >No one wants to use a distribution with a really slow package manager.<br /> <br /> Frankly, I don't care if portage does it's thing in a flash or not. I care if portage does a good job compared to other distributions. And to be honest, compared to the rpm and deb distros I know about, portage beats them hands down. Who cares if it takes a couple of seconds/minutes? It seems you have forgotten the joys of working with gentoo. Switch back to debian form a couple of weeks, then come back. This increae is clearly due to the fact that we are not able to recruit developers in a reasonable timeframe.

I've been thinking about helping out for the last 2 years now. But with at all the flamewars on gentoo-def/irc/everywhere, having some people react like 5 year olds on bugzilla, etc. , well, let's just say I'm more than happy with my local overlay. I just don't want to be involved in such a hotile environment... The day it seems fun again is the day I'll change my mind...


>No one wants to use a distribution with a really slow package manager.

Frankly, I don't care if portage does it's thing in a flash or not. I care if portage does a good job compared to other distributions. And to be honest, compared to the rpm and deb distros I know about, portage beats them hands down. Who cares if it takes a couple of seconds/minutes? It seems you have forgotten the joys of working with gentoo. Switch back to debian form a couple of weeks, then come back. ]]> http://blogs.gentoo.org/genstef/2007/03/24/open_source_software_contributing_where_#c18844